What is the difference between water fluoridation and water treatment?

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Water treatment is the process by which public drinking water is treated to make it safe to drink. The most common example is water chlorination, which kills certain bacteria and other microbes that may harm people [1].

Water fluoridation, on the other hand, does not treat the water itself. Rather, fluoridation uses the water supply to treat people. This is a fundamental and radical difference [2], which raises many ethical objections [3] and violates numerous principles of consent [4].

Opponents of fluoridation argue that the public water supply is not an appropriate vehicle for delivering mass treatment to the population. Consent cannot be obtained from all individuals, dose cannot be controlled, and proper biomonitoring is hugely problematic [5-6].

[1] Wikipedia, Water chlorination.
[2] Fluoridation as a practice, Overview.
[3] Fluoridation and ethics, Overview.
[4] Final Nails in the Ethical Coffin of Water Fluoridation, Consent principles.
[5] Measures of Exposure, NRC
[6] Sources of fluoride, FAN

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Author: AFA Mildura

Administrator, Anti-Fluoridation Association of Mildura

20 thoughts on “What is the difference between water fluoridation and water treatment?

  1. Persistent liars, cherrypickers and cowardly trolls should be banned from commenting on this site.
    Unless of course they help our cause (clean safe water) more, by showing how foolish their cause is, of pushing for the whole population to be swallowing toxic topical industrial waste treatments in water, food and beverages.
    http://www.dmlawfirm.com/slott-machine-backs-artificial-fluoidation
    http://fluoridedentalexperts.com/html/statement_61.html

    • Here we go, the standard response when thing get a bit hot to handle The same thing happens with facebook too ,,Once you push an anti fluoride activist in a corner they ban you ,because they have no answers.
      And it is easier to do that to save face, than get caught out telling lies

      • Why are you here Chris? Do you have the courage to tell the truth?

      • Here we go, the standard response when thing get a bit hot to handle, attack the other person. The same thing happens with MSOF facebook too ,,Once you push an profluoride activist in a corner they ban you ,because they have no answers.
        And it is easier to do that to save face, than get caught out telling lies.

        I gave two options to deal with you trolls, Chris.
        Obviously AFAM has gone with option 2. since you are not banned.

        Are you connected with MSOF FB? They banned me,last year, when things got too hot to handle.
        You are a waste of time, and a waste of space.
        Although it is fun, to poke fun of idiots like you,David, Steve, Kurt, Billy, Johnny, etc. 🙂

  2. Chris, you have no idea how incredibly stupid you are, do you? What do you want proof of? If you can’t understand that forced-fluoridation is fundamentally different from water treatment there is something fundamentally wrong with you, but we all already knew that. Seriously, where did you get the bizarre idea from that anybody is actually interested in your twaddle? Stop wasting people’s time, F’wit.

    • Good to see the anti fluoride/vaccine lot are true to form, push them in a corner and out comes the potty mouths and the name calling , only thing missing this time is the capital letters this behavour from the Rat shows his lack of respect for the english language

      As I have said before , with responses like that from someone who spouts about there 2 quality degrees from university, you have to wonder about their quality
      A degree in Big Macs and Fries from Macdonalds university does not count

  3. The same rules apply to folic acid in bread.
    1 A mass treatment
    2 No consent obtained
    3 No dosage control by bread manufacturers
    4 No biomonitoring

    So really these are both used under the same rules So why is one decried all the time by the anti fluoride/vaccine lobby, and they dont want to know about the other?
    Could be there is no money in attacking the bread makers, where there is millions on dollars at stake, if the fluoride is scaremongered from the natural health industry

    Remenber if anything attacks the bottom line of the Natural Health Coalition, is is deemed toxic

      • So you have no proof. Why am I not surprised. Connetts list of fairy tales is never going to be counted as scientific proof .

        1 And from a leading institute that specializes in nutrition research — the Linus Pauling Institute:

        “Although its role in the prevention of dental caries (tooth decay) is well established, fluoride is not generally considered an essential mineral element because humans do not require it for growth or to sustain life. However, if one considers the prevention of chronic disease (dental caries) an important criterion in determining essentiality, then fluoride might well be considered an essential trace element.”

        http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/minerals/fluoride/

        2 let’s see how much fluoride will be ingested by someone who drinks twice the usual amount, or 6 liters of water per day. That would mean 5.4 mg fluoride from the water and 7.2 mg total. Soooo, that would still be well within safe limits, even for somebody who drinks 6 liters of water per day, and that’s not even taking into account that folks who drink this large amount of water don’t usually do so on an average basis.

        3 Well seeing fluoride is in all things and it is hard to get out.And as you have been ingesting it since you were born , good luck with living without it . Hang on you can, just die

      • AFA Mildura,

        Chris Price pointed out that Folic Acid in bread is basically the same as water fluoridation. These are the reasons he gave:

        “The same rules apply to folic acid in bread.
        1 A mass treatment
        2 No consent obtained
        3 No dosage control by bread manufacturers
        4 No biomonitoring”

        This was the answer you gave: “Answered here (Claim 4):

        1. Iron, folic acid, and vitamin D are known essential nutrients. Fluoride
        is not.
        2. All of those substances have large margins of safety between their toxic
        levels and their beneficial levels. Fluoride does not.
        3. People who do not want those supplements can seek out foods without
        them. It is much more difficult to avoid tap water.”

        You did not answer one single point that Chris offered.

        1.) Folic acid in bread is mass treatment. Your answer: “Sound of crickets.”

        2.) No consent is obtained. Your answer could possibly be, “People who do not want those supplements can seek out foods without
        them. It is much more difficult to avoid tap water.” But I don’t know if I’ll give that one to you. When you buy a loaf of bread, you are not signing a consent form that says you understand there is folic acid in it. By your logic, someone could buy that loaf of bread and inadvertently be poisoned by the folic acid in it. Sorry, Connett’s answer doesn’t apply.

        3.) No dosage control by bread manufacturers. Your answer: “Sound of crickets.”

        4.) No biomonitoring” Your answer: “Sound of crickets.”

        I suggest that when you attempt to answer a question you refrain from blindly copying and pasting the worn out arguments of someone else, and instead focus on answering the question.

        • David the US sewage worker, who sure knows how to shovel his stuff.

          I suggest that when you attempt to answer a question you refrain, and go back to the wastewater treatment plant and stick to your business, that is, handling USA’s “business”. 🙂

          • Nice attempt at a diversion, Colin. But not really.

            AFA Mildura,
            Chris Price pointed out that Folic Acid in bread is basically the same as water fluoridation. These are the reasons he gave:
            “The same rules apply to folic acid in bread.
            1 A mass treatment
            2 No consent obtained
            3 No dosage control by bread manufacturers
            4 No biomonitoring”
            This was the answer you gave: “Answered here (Claim 4):
            1. Iron, folic acid, and vitamin D are known essential nutrients. Fluoride
            is not.
            2. All of those substances have large margins of safety between their toxic
            levels and their beneficial levels. Fluoride does not.
            3. People who do not want those supplements can seek out foods without
            them. It is much more difficult to avoid tap water.”
            You did not answer one single point that Chris offered.
            1.) Folic acid in bread is mass treatment. Your answer: “Sound of crickets.”
            2.) No consent is obtained. Your answer could possibly be, “People who do not want those supplements can seek out foods without
            them. It is much more difficult to avoid tap water.” But I don’t know if I’ll give that one to you. When you buy a loaf of bread, you are not signing a consent form that says you understand there is folic acid in it. By your logic, someone could buy that loaf of bread and inadvertently be poisoned by the folic acid in it. Sorry, Connett’s answer doesn’t apply.
            3.) No dosage control by bread manufacturers. Your answer: “Sound of crickets.”
            4.) No biomonitoring” Your answer: “Sound of crickets.”
            I suggest that when you attempt to answer a question you refrain from blindly copying and pasting the worn out arguments of someone else, and instead focus on answering the question.

    • Chriis, I will say this slowly, just for you, NZ sheep farmer, and David, the US sewage worker,, they do not put folic acid in the water supply for a good reason, they do not put bread in the water supply for a good reason,they do not put vaccines in the water supply for a good reason. You boys should be able to figure out the reasons.
      I had an idiot on FB the other day, who said he would love to have my vaccines put into his water supply, for the rest of his life.

      The fluoride in the water supply is incorporated into most food and beverages.
      Fluoride is a toxic topical industrial waste treatment, we don’t want or need it in our stomach or bloodstream.

      Why do you and your weirdo mates come here, to convert us?
      Or just to be trolls?
      Or to waste your time and ours?

      • So now we have the brains trust telling us that fluoride is a new mineral manufactured by the fertilizer industry in 1843.
        Well that was when the first modern fert plant was built to create this” industrial waste”

        And on the other side is the scientific community that knows Fluoride is a mineral that is in all water, air,and has been around since time began

        Now who is the wiedo or troll and who is wasting time?

        • Chris Price, please go to the top of the page and read the title of the web page.
          Now try to figure out, who the Trolls are in this comment section?
          You seem to missing a few sheep in the top paddock? 🙂

        • So now we have the non-brains trust, NZ Chrissie, telling us that silcofluoride is a natural mineral manufactured by the artificial fertilizer industry in 1843.
          Well that was when the first modern fertilizer plant was built to create this artificial fertilizer plus artificial industrial waste silicofluoride.
          Please, NZ Chrissie, tell the truth, the whole truth.
          Lying by omission is still lying.

          • Ok, the whole truth, Colin. Silica – not harmful to human beings in any way. If that is not correct, please enlighten me.

        • Chris, I suggest that you and your fellow trolls leave Colin alone. AND PLEASE STOP threatening his safe, little, happy, embriotic worldview.

          • I only come here to stir the trolls up, for fun.
            Thanks for admitting you all are trolls, Davey. 🙂
            The longer you trolls are here, means you are not else where.
            You really are a few sangas short of a picnic , david, US sewage worker.
            It is a shame that I can’t post that photo of you in the snow, hilarious cute legs and holding your hose. 🙂

            • Colin, you really are quite amusing. The picture you are referring to is Cousin Eddie in the U.S. classic Christmas film “Christmas Vacation.” In that iconic photo he was emptying his shit into a storm drain. “Merry Christmas, the shitter’s full.” You should really watch more American films.

              I’m not a sewage or wastewater worker, Colin. More misinformation. But I do like the fact that you spew misinformation in more than one area. I think it gives you a more well-rounded personality. 🙂

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